Jonas Krauss
I stubbornly ignore the impossible
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  • πŸ“… Sep '19

Hi Yuko,

you can express "analog" or "not-so-tech-savvy" people also with "People who have problems to use new tools" or "people for whom using technology in general and new tools especially is difficult". So - if it's difficult for them to adopt to what you find easy - maybe it is easier for you to adopt to what they find easy.
What do they find easy?
You could just ask them.. "What do you normally use when you are working together with somebody?"
Do you have a possibility to meet each other physically? A board with "Todo", "Doing" and "Done" sections and a couple of post-it notes can work miracles.
Apart from that keep it simple - the most basic project management tool is a todo-list. Old people tend to bsend excel-files via email... I know it's awkward, but if it does the job?

Hope that helps a bit.

Cheers,
Jonas

Thank you so much for your answer, Jonas.

One of the collaborators is working in the same studio.
A physical board with "Todo," "Doing," and "Done" sounds like a great idea.
I didn't come up with the possibility as I'm a heavily digital-oriented person. I will give it a try.

For another person, the one who showed a kinda panicked reaction to Notion - she suggested me to use Slack together on the other day. It was quite surprising for me. She said that she found it useful when she communicates with her business partner with slack.
It was a great suggestion from her. While I can record and share the overview of the tasks without forcing her to install new tools.

Awesome! 😎 I'm happy for you 😊

Hi Dennis,

I'm addicted to the indiehackers-podcast, so probably your target-audience :). I like the idea and concept and see a market. I am in general interested in your interviews.

I read one interview for a few paragraphs.. then went somewhere else. The internet today is not very friendly to long-form text, I'd say... Too many distractions.

I believe I would perceive your content as much more valuable if presented in better digestible format

  • smaller paragraphs
  • subheadings
  • original quotes
    ...

Also... As you anyways do these interviews - wouldn't it be feasible to make a podcast out of them directly? You still can use the transcript for seo-purposes.
And I think video-interviews would be even better. Make one interview, distribute video, podcast, transcript.

Hi Artem,

I looked at your intro-text and the word "machine learning" rang a bell with me - as someone who works on ml everyday myself. Glanced your landing-page - looks very professional - check.

.."you'll actually use.." - let's see.
I Click "Sign up for free.." First I wanted to login with github, then I didn't want to give you access to all my repos - why would I?

In the meantime I got distracted by your little "We're live on ProductHunt"
I read a bit of your story - wow 2 years, the science of productivity... reads like something solid.

I commence to login/signup with Trello
I download the Desktop app.
I click add task and want to go working
It doesn't let me - "You need to estimate your time" or something alike.

..That's where you "lost" me..

It's really a personal thing and for many it will probably be an awesome tool. It looks and feels all very professional, well engineered and thought through.

However I believe I can only use your tool if I "obey" to your tools' workflow.

  • log all time (I don't want to log my time)
  • Estimate every task
  • Plan the work and work the plan

It became kind of a principle to me that I evade all tools that require me to adapt - I seek, use tools that adapt to me.

Sorry, I think I sound harsh - but you asked to be roasted :)

I have been promoting and executing all of this quite strictly in the past - imho my attention/focus-system is well trained / worked out.

Now that I AM trained - the most productive thing for me is a simple todo-list. It takes split-seconds to tick-off things, review my current list and few seconds to add new things. It seamlessly integrates with notes, links, content. It's the by far fastest way to do my planning.
I use notion.so for that.

Your tool belongs into "Extended project management tooling" for me. I might reconsider it for my day-job where I work with teams. For personal productivity it's not my cup of tea.

Appreciate your feedback!

Hi Stefan,

I recently (~6 months ago) learned frontend development using quasar/vue.js and with that became a "full-stack"-developer. since then it has made me complete so that I could actually start indiehacking =) the proud fruit of my work can be reviewed here: https://ml4all.com

Feel free to send along your questions - if email, why not mail@ml4all.com

Hi Russell, thanks a lot for the helpful review!
I wasn't around for a while and didn't see it.
The details (like customer reviews) were / are mising because the landing page "sold" a product that was not even started..

By now I have partially abandoned the idea / pivoted.

Still I DO learn from your thoughts.. thank you!

Thank you Edwin, very helpful. Great that you like the guy on the mountain :) Pricing and specifics missing - I read you, am working hard to figure this out right now ;)

Nope, didn't find Clearbit yet, thank you! I know Salesforce, found Salesmachine and basically think these people might be happy for my help :)

I don't know if you waste your time explaining details about the theme, because (as you quickly figured out) I just picked the first one that looked decent for the use case. But sure - yes I'm interested!

"proof" - like customer reviews, recommendations?

Yes "CASH IN" - you're not the first to criticize this.. I'm trying to adopt sales language.. probably too much

reach out to Sales people - is out and waiting, I hope to receive feedback tomorrow.

"proof" - like customer reviews, recommendations?

Credentials (e.g. relevant work experience), social proof (customer reviews), etc.

This x 100; it build trust, especially if they know the company or have heard of it.

Ouch, that hurts a bit ;) but it helps even more - thanks a lot Marc!

For these roasts I tend to focus on the negative as I feel that's the most helpful. Take it with a grain of salt though. I'm peculiar when it comes to sales-oriented products.

Do you know Clearbit? I think it's a great example of a sales-oriented product suite with great marketing and landing pages.

Nope, didn't find Clearbit yet, thank you! I know Salesforce, found Salesmachine and basically think these people might be happy for my help :)

I don't know if you waste your time explaining details about the theme, because (as you quickly figured out) I just picked the first one that looked decent for the use case. But sure - yes I'm interested!

"proof" - like customer reviews, recommendations?

Yes "CASH IN" - you're not the first to criticize this.. I'm trying to adopt sales language.. probably too much

reach out to Sales people - is out and waiting, I hope to receive feedback tomorrow.

"proof" - like customer reviews, recommendations?

Credentials (e.g. relevant work experience), social proof (customer reviews), etc.

This x 100; it build trust, especially if they know the company or have heard of it.

Ya; Clearbit is great, but it's targeting salesops or sales leaders to get implemented; looks like Jonas is targeting IC sales folk; so, something like mixmax might be a closer hit marketing wise (though, they do both - maybe https://calendly.com)